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What is a human right? i.e. What does society owe you? No.6572

>clean running water: https://pilr.blogs.pace.edu/2017/08/14/access-to-water-is-an-american-human-right/
>minimal vegan nutrition 2000 kcal (so a fuckton of beans and vegetables): https://foodnotbombs.net/new_site/
>internet connection (really we should just eliminate the education budget and give everyone free internet instead)
>laptop: https://standupwireless.com/nonaff/blog-looking-for-a-free-laptop-how-low-income-people-can-apply/
>phone: https://www.assurancewireless.com/
>birth control: https://ohiv.org/free-condoms/
>$30/month of electricity
>a 20ft x 20ft pod with a shared bathroom/kitchen, full temp control, and working plumbing
>free public transport: https://qz.com/2048165/american-cities-are-experimenting-with-free-public-transit/
>clothes: https://www.tryspree.com/free-clothes
>healthcare until you're 50 (then you're on your own)
>protection (you can call someone with a gun to come to your house anytime you feel threatened)
>emergency services

No.6573

death.

No.6574

There are no human rights not maintained by force. You can’t stop a man from dreaming.

No.6578

>>6574
I'm not disputing that at all. People who believe god gives them rights are retarded. This thread is about what human rights ought to be.

>>6573
Nice suggestion! Right to a painless suicide absolutely needs to be a free public service. How many mass shooters were driven to murder because it's difficult to kill yourself and suicide by cop is easy?

No.6581

>healthcare until you're 50
Why until 50?

Oh right, like another anon said, right to die is an absolute must.

No.6582

>>6578
many murder suicides were probably caused by bullshit laws requiring anyone present to use as much force necessary to stop someone from killing themselves and the suicidal guy was stronger.

No.6602

An old and a young patient in a mental hospital saw a suicidal man get in a fight with one of the nurses the younger thought that the nurses would easily overpower him the elder told the younger that that the suicidal would win. eventually the man escaped from the scrum of wrangling nurses, broke a window with a heavy chair and fatally slashed the nurse who caught up with him with a shard of glass before taking his own life the room awash with blood was cleared as sirens were heard wailing in the distance when the younger patient asked his wise elder how he knew, the elder smiled and said "the nurses were fighting for the law the patient was fighting for his rights."

No.7765

They owe me way out.
But that'll never happen, because company-owners own everything, including the legal system.
We can't kill ourselves, or even own guns anymore, because faggots and richfaggots exist.

No.8150

The right to kill my parents when they become senile.

No.8186

the right to have all source code for every piece of software you own
the right to run any program for any reason
the right to modify any published work for any reason
the right to study any published work
the right to share any published work with anyone
the right to publish any modified version of any work
the right to decrypt digital restrictions management and share knowledge on how to break digital handcuffs
the right to de-compile and disassemble any software binary and repackage it with a build system so it can be recompiled and modified freely
the right to reverse engineer any technology
the right to repair and improve any physical object.
the right to copypasta.

No.8195

>>8186
Correct. After The Collapse, society that emerges from the ashes MUST have all the rights you outlined. Otherwise it'll make our current dystopia look like utopia.

No.8198
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>>8195
From the ruins risen newly,
To the future turned, we stand.
Let us serve your good weal truly,
Germany, our fatherland.
Triumph over bygone sorrow,
Can unity be won?
For we shall attain a morrow,
When over our Germany,
there is the shining sun, there is the shining sun!

May both peace and joy inspire,
Germany, our fatherland.
Peace is all the world's desire,
To the peoples lend your hand.
In fraternity united,
We shall crush the people's foe.
Let all paths by peace be lighted,
That no mother shall again
mourn her son in woe, mourn her son in woe!

Let us plow and build our nation,
Learn and work as never yet,
That a free new generation,
Faith in its own strength begets!
German youth, for whom the striving
Of our people is at one,
You are Germany's reviving,
And over our Germany,
There is the shining sun, there is the shining sun!

https://youtu.be/DTV92wqYjfA

No.8199
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>>8198
Cringe. Tradcon Germans are some of the most anti-NEET people on the planet.

No.8216

>>8199
these are eastern communist germans you donut!

No.8224

>>8216
Even worse.

No.8226

>>8224
gulag now! communism is based сука!

No.8231

>>8226
Ever wonder why the symbols of communism are a hammer & sickle? Because communism is pro-work & anti-NEET. Under communism, if you don't do the state's bidding, you get gulaged. Under capitalism, if you're rich enough, it's completely socially acceptable to be a NEET. No one would ever care if Elon Musked quit working. In a communist country he'd be dead if he quit working.

If you're communist you are explicitly anti-NEET and I don't know why you're here

No.8234

>>8231
Capitalism is doomed to fail by the year 2060.
Automation will make jobs obsolete.
Feudalism is too far in the past to go back to
Elon Musk is a cuck and deserves to be shot by the NKVD.
Hammer and Sickle are also used for smashing bourgie cucks.
Stalin did nothing wrong!
https://youtu.be/dmQ-BZ3eWxM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ud6LVXTSIU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxWg_2ng4Ls

No.8236

>>8234
Why does every attempted at communism turn out to suck? Because central planning is an inefficient way to run a society. I agree that capitalism is already broken. If we don't get UBI we'll get a communist dystopia where NEETs are rounded up and sent to forced labor camps.

That said some communist ideas on top of that might be good. I've found even conservatives approve of a state-funded farming/food processing organization. There is absolutely no reason why anyone should starve to death. So rather than subsidizing the fuck out of privately owned farms, the state runs farms directly. If you want to eat, anyone including non-citizens can complete a 3 hour shift at the farm/kitchen/etc and be provided with an all-you-can-eat buffet at end. So all the labor would be free and compensated with the food produced there. There would probably need to be a paid skeleton crew operating the facility not unlike Habitat for Humanity or WWOOFing.

I'd be okay with the decline in quality of treatment from free universal healthcare as well. Fuck the insurance cartels.

When a social media site gets large enough, the government should force it to go open source/open data and no longer allow the social media site to make its own rules. People say "Twitter isnt a government organization so free speech laws don't apply" but that's wrong. The CIA is intrinsically tied to Twitter. They would have gone out of business long ago if the deep state didn't constantly pump money into it.

Other than that? I don't think central planning would be very pragmatic. What additional changes would you make? Have you actually thought about how your ideal world would function? Or are you just another armchair revolutionary who wants to steal from the rich and give to yourself?

No.8237

>>8236
Communism is a classless, stateless, money-less society. There would be no government or politburo making central plans and the means of production would be owned by everyone to produce whatever they like. Robots and AI would run the factories and farms to make everything for everyone. Everyone would be a NEET free to explore his passion and creativity in a fully automated communist society. Musk would still be killed though as he is an exploiter of the proletariat and all his factories and private assets would be collectivized. Also there would be no proprietary software, twatter and facecuck would be replaced by multiple diaspora or mastodon servers many (self hosted)
We don't need to even buy the rope from porky to hang the capitalists anymore since capitalism is digging its own grave.
Мы вас похороним!

No.8238

>>8237
Even your by own definition it wouldn't be stateless, it just would an AI-run state. Also there would still need to be police to take care of the occasional serial killer. I'm actually on board with letting AI distribute all resources, but even I'm not on board with AI police who can kill at their discretion.

Classless society is impossible unless we're all literal clones of each other. Some people will be born crippled, some people will be born dumb, some people will be born female. Actually, even if we were all clones of each other, there would still be differences between people purely due to luck. You can't have a classless society. 90% of what AI does is create models of relationships between different classes of abstract entities. Again, by your own definition it would be classless.

I'm all for getting rid of the petrodollar, but another abstract measure of value would necessarily arise. Being able to exchange things for what is essentially tangible power is too useful for people to stop doing. And how would the AI police stop people who wanted to trade their software for Bitcoin? What about kids using candy as a currency like I did in elementary school? Would they execute the monkeys who exchange grooming services for sex?

Down & Out in the Magic Kingdom is a short story about life in a money-free utopia. Spoiler alert: bad things happen and the new currency just becomes Facebook likes: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/8086

I'm really not entirely opposed to communism. But when all you tankies ever do is regurgitate stale propaganda, I will remain unconvinced that it'd be different this time. Read that short story, learn a bit more about how AI works, think about how your ideal society would handle inevitable problems, and get back to me.

No.8239

>>8238
By your own definition it *would not be classless. Goddamn I gotta stop drunk posting. I'm OP btw. I made this thread because I'm trying to get in writing what rights we should enshrine in America after The Collapse. Normies are too tired to figure out to restructure society. In addition to being exhausted from their work weeks, politicians and lawyers have too many ulterior motives to trust. Only we NEETs have the time, energy, & perspective to come up with a better constitution. Our only ulterior motive would be to remain NEETs. In general, NEETs are the epitome of philosopher kings. It's time we start acting like it.

No.8247

>>8239
based.

No.8248

>>8238
you say tankie like it's a bad thing.
t. Comrade Hoxha

No.8285

>>8234
>Feudalism is too far in the past to go back to
The aristocrats are still around, and it’s been a thousand years. How’s republicanism going for you? You are born into this world not owed anything by your parents, and you certainly can’t claim anything of society. I bet Roman citizens would’ve been pretty horrified by medieval serfdom.

No.8287

>>8285
When children learn to devalue others, they can devalue anyone, including their parents.

No.8293

>>8287
The British have always been more loyal to the monarchy than it deserved.

No.8307

>>8293
Based. They owe Lizzie Windsor nothing.
Also her son Charlie Windsor is a cuck who fucks a horsefaced bitch

No.8438

>>6572
I totally forgot about the Obama phones. Thanks for reminding me. I'm ordering one now.

No.8474

For all you retards who say NEETs can't be communists, take a look at this Русский НЕЕТ Soldier.
Коммунизм ва Басед Десу!